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Came here from Adam's article! I actually have spent the last couple of months fixing my insomnia/sleep issues, so I have a lot of thoughts.

Have you heard about the sleep doctor Alan Walker (he wrote a book Why We Sleep and also went on a bunch of podcasts)? A lot of people identify as short sleepers, but almost all of them are not actually short sleepers and will suffer health consequences https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gDYYqXcYuJQ. I don’t think the recommendation of 7-9 hours denies that a distribution exists, but rather that the distribution for most people is in that 7-9 range, instead of a larger range. Many people identify as short sleepers because their lifestyle determines how much they sleep, and then after years, they think their average well-rested state is close to their max well-rested state, but it's been years since they had weeks of 8-9 hours of good quality sleep and forgot/never knew their true well-rested state, which can be a lot higher.

From my time fixing my sleep, I do strongly believe that lifestyle affects how much sleep the average American gets rather than Americans seemingly getting the amount of sleep they actually need. Sleep duration directly affects sleep quality, and sleep duration/quality are affected by so many things like caffeine intake/timing, dinner timing (digestion lowers sleep quality), late exercise spiking adrenaline/cortisol, vitamin D levels, melatonin levels, browsing constantly not only exposing us to blue-light keeping us up, but contributing to insomnia since the only time our brain has time to process the day is when we try to go to sleep but can’t, the stress of modern life/work/inflation. I feel like the average American will definitely have one of these things delaying/disrupting the quality of their sleep.

We can have some sort of empirical measure of quality sleep by measuring REM/deep sleep with a sleep tracker. You’ll likely find on your 5-hour night that you got significantly less REM and less deep sleep. If you’re doing things like dealing with a breakup (rem helps mental health/processing events), or going to the gym (deep sleep affects hormones), the consistency of getting the right amount of sleep becomes really apparent, you get gains much easier with 15 hours of deep sleep over a 10 day period vs probably half the deep sleep on a more random schedule.

I actually really identify with you, about letting my lifestyle determine my sleep, naturally sleeping at different times because I stayed up playing games or hanging with friends, waking up randomly, and living this fun lifestyle from middle-school into my adult working life. But now I know that the time I wake up is more influenced by my circadian rhythm, rather than when my body determined that I got “enough” sleep. And over the years my memory has been getting worse which I thought was normal, I never put on muscle that easily, always had trouble with willpower with my diet. But getting a consistent sleep schedule has literally reversed all of that.

I see that you’re content with your sleep patterns being determined by your lifestyle, but definitely curious to see if you'd experience a lot of benefits if you experimented with a boring sleep schedule for a couple weeks lol

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Miyero's avatar

I can’t sleep if I don’t have a blanket on me. I assume this is because I’ve always slept with a blanket.

I m need at least a sheet. I remember as a kid thinking exposed skin would be vulnerable to the little darkness demons.

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